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Death In Police Custody
From Joseph Ehrlich
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Carol Gotbaum's Message to America
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Death In Police Custody
From Joseph Ehrlich
Sender Berl & Sons
10-16-7 Updates
Carol Gotbaum's Message to America
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| .The New York Times seems to have confirmed what I always knew: "After Ms. Gotbaum was taken to the holding cell, officers tried to read her her Miranda rights as she was screaming and yelling. She was left in the holding cell. Officer Woyna told investigators that he returned three or four minutes later after she had stopped screaming, found her unconscious and immediately sought help. Ms. Gotbaum was unchained and Officer Woyna tried chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation - even after she vomited into his mouth." Ehrlich: My opinion is that Woyna never left the holding area and that his "heroic" efforts were to cover for the wrongdoing that took place in his dealing one on one with a woman chained in front of him who would not bow to his rule. The airline and airport will pay dearly for Gotbaum had a reserved ticket for the flight, was there on time, and she was not only denied access to the next flight, they wouldn't even let another kindly passenger offer her his or her seat on the flight so she could travel as she thought her reservation guaranteed. The final straw is that when she has an emotional reaction the carrier platform attendants call the police who react as though she was a terrorist on the loose. Then when she is not compliant with those no doubt trained directly or indirectly by Blackwater personnel she either submits or face dire consequences. I am sure Woyna did not intend to do her harm but I am equally sure that he had an equal emotional reaction to Gotbaum's demeanor as she had to the carrier's. The irony is that the innocent person dies and the parties really guilty of wrongdoing live and may even receive Moabite protection. Look at the following from the 108 page report. By the way, I could not find one reference to the mouth to mouth resuscitation (however, I read through the pdf file quickly): Ehrlich: the underscoring is in the original. What the above shows is that she was not given her rights. It also makes no reference to the "heroic" mouth to mouth effort. It also highlights that she was truly chained like an animal to support submission on her part. Ehrlich: Notice no mouth to mouth in the account below... Ehrlich: The next report backfires on the Phoenix police...it shows she was not trying to get out of the handcuffs (but it shows that she was alone which I think is a lie). I really think the truth of what happened to Gotbaum in that cell is awful and the police there are circling the wagon because they all otherwise would lose their jobs. It is inconceivable that all these reports do no highlight the mouth to mouth effort or in fact hardly mention Woyna at all. Notice how the writer says that both the writer and officer may walked outside to help direct the fire department to the office. I guess it takes more than one police office to point. What the writer did is that himself right out of the picture. Moreover, the narratives do disclose that a male officer originally wanted to search Gotbaum but she screamed for a female police officer. I don't know how the Phoenix police run things but I can only tell you that all these narratives do not ring true at all to me. I think that when Carol Gotbaum died she thought she first passed through hell. Ehrlich: The initial reports had seven officers in the detention area and suddenly each report shows that they were doing their jobs and not drinking coffee or having their doughnuts. Circle the wagons. === Here is the entire NY TIMES article Ehrlich: What can I tell you but that the article is dated October 5 2007. I never saw it and I searched for the disclosure all over the place... Report Details Series of Desperate Calls by Gotbaum's Husband October 5, 2007, 3:28 pm By Sewell Chan Noah E. Gotbaum, the husband of Carol A. Gotbaum, with an unidentified friend of the family, departing Sinai Mortuary in Phoenix after claiming his wife's body on Thursday. (Jack Kurtz/ Associated Press/The Arizona Republic) Updated, 11:20 p.m. | A 108-page set of documents from the Phoenix Police Department includes transcripts of a series of desperate phone calls that Carol A. Gotbaum's husband, Noah, to the authorities in the airport there last Friday. (It turns out those calls came too late to help her, according to a police chronology provided later.) The documents also included statements from 15 witnesses and five police officers who were present when Ms. Gotbaum was subdued and arrested for disorderly conduct after she missed a connecting flight to Tucson. Minutes later, she died in a police holding cell at the airport. (Mr. Gotbaum's stepmother, Betsy Gotbaum, the New York City public advocate, discussed Carol's struggles with alcoholism and other details of her life in an extensive interview for an article published this evening.) The 108 pages [pdf] reveal new details in the case. The mysterious circumstances of the death prompted the Gotbaum family to call for an official investigation and to commission an independent autopsy. On Thursday, the Phoenix Police Department defended its handling of the case and said its officers did everything possible to try to revive Ms. Gotbaum after finding her unconscious on a bench to which her handcuffs had been shackled. The police also released a video of the arrest, which showed Ms. Gotbaum behaving erratically as officers subdued her. The phone calls from her husband, Noah E. Gotbaum, show that he repeatedly tried to alert the police about the emotional state of his 45-year-old wife, but that his first call was not received until after she was already dead. The police have said that they were not aware of her personal issues - including her emotional disturbances and alcohol addiction - when they detained her. In one call, shortly after she was arrested, Mr. Gotbaum told an emergency dispatcher in Phoenix that "a very close family friend," David Watson, was supposed to meet Ms. Gotbaum at the airport and assist her. "I've said it before and I'm actually quite unhappy that I have not heard back, because the police don't really understand what they're dealing with right now and no one has called me, but he does, David understands and David will be in Terminal 4 or wherever the police are in about five minutes," Mr. Gotbaum told the dispatcher. (It is not clear if Mr. Watson, who lives in the Phoenix area, ultimately showed up at the terminal.) At another point, Mr. Gotbaum described his wife as "suicidal" and said she had abused alcohol. "The police have to understand that they're not dealing with someone who's just been drinking on flight and acting rowdy," he said. "That's not what's going on here." Later, he said his wife needs to be handled "with very kid gloves." In another conversation, Mr. Gotbaum told dispatchers that his wife was in "a very, very fragile mental state." And Mr. Gotbaum, frustrated that the police were not telling him more details about his wife's arrest and detention, told a dispatcher, "This is a very dangerous situation we're in right now." At the end of the call, he called the situation a "medical emergency" and pleaded, "I suggest that someone give me a call immediately!" The documents also include detailed statements from witnesses and police officers. Thomas Greenlaw, a checkpoint supervisor for the federal Transportation Security Administration, described Ms. Gotbaum as being "out of control" and "screaming and waving," according to the police narrative of the interview. Mr. Greenlaw said Ms. Gotbaum repeatedly yelled, "I'm not a terrorist." Erik A. Iversen and Matthew Detras, other T.S.A. employees, told investigators that Ms. Gotbaum used several expletives as she was subdued. Officer Andrew Woyna, who made the arrest, told investigators that the decision was made to charge Ms. Gotbaum because she would not calm down. She was detained on the third floor of the terminal and taken to the police holding cell on the second floor. Ms. Gotbaum resisted as the officers removed her. "She was fighting them as they tried to walk her to the elevators," an investigator wrote, based on Officer Woyna's statement. "He explained that she would try to dig/drag her feet so they could not walk her to the elevator. When they were on carpet she could resist walking, but when they were on the tile floor she had no traction and slid quickly across the floor. He said that it was because of her nylon socks and no shoes that she could not stop or resist being taken to security." After Ms. Gotbaum was taken to the holding cell, officers tried to read her her Miranda rights as she was screaming and yelling. She was left in the holding cell. Officer Woyna told investigators that he returned three or four minutes later after she had stopped screaming, found her unconscious and immediately sought help. Ms. Gotbaum was unchained and Officer Woyna tried chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation - even after she vomited into his mouth. Officer Woyna and another officer, Jason Toth, tried to revive Ms. Gotbaum with an automated external defibrillator. They were unsuccessful. Emergency medical workers from the Fire Department eventually replaced the officers. They, too, could not revive Ms. Gotbaum. A third officer, Duane Rigg, stated, as did the other officers, that "they did not strike her, use chemicals or Taser to take her into custody." Two other officers, Terri Klepper and Dick Richards, also provided statements. Ms. Gotbaum was pronounced dead at 3:29 p.m. on Sept. 28. An autopsy was conducted this week by the Maricopa County medical examiner's office. The death investigation is not complete, but the newly released documents reveal that there were finger marks and bruises on her right bicep, likely caused by the officers as they restrained her. The medical examiner, Dr. Ann Bucholtz, found "green discoloration on the right pelvic area from natural causes following the death," which were not the result of an injury. Dr. Bucholtz did not find broken blood vessels or fractures on the body or anything obstructing Ms. Gotbaum's airway. John Eligon contributed reporting from Phoenix. Source: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/police-report- details-frantic-calls-by-gotbaums-husband/?hp END |
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Ehrlich: Notice no mouth to mouth in the account below...
Ehrlich: The next report backfires on the Phoenix police...it shows she was not trying to get out of the handcuffs (but it shows that she was alone which I think is a lie). I really think the truth of what happened to Gotbaum in that cell is awful and the police there are circling the wagon because they all otherwise would lose their jobs. It is inconceivable that all these reports do no highlight the mouth to mouth effort or in fact hardly mention Woyna at all.
Ehrlich: The initial reports had seven officers in the detention area and suddenly each report shows that they were doing their jobs and not drinking coffee or having their doughnuts. Circle the wagons.
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